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  MSNBC    Morning Joe    News/Business. Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski & Willie  
   Geist offering interviews with newsmakers and politicians. New.  

    November 4, 2013
    3:00 - 6:01am PST  

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we wanted to know how you took advantage of your extra hour. >> i can relate to dawn. she said i i spent the first 30 minutes changing all the clocks in the house and the second 30 minutes wondering why i have so many clocks. >> the car clock is the most annoying and then you have to spin it. "morning joe" starts right now. a new report shows that only six people actually signed up for the affordable care act with trouble on its first day but obama care is only doing slightly better than guitar lessons by mike. according to a new poll president obama's approval rating reached a new low of 42%. it's gotten so bad that even bo
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is trying to distance himself. >> good morning. there's another side to this. good morning. it's monday, november 4th. beautiful shot of new york city. makes me sad how dark it is. did you all change your locks? >> it's a little lighter outside. it did, of course, get dark at 2:15. >> with us on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle. how are you doing? you look good. you look very handsome. the former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> he's done a makeover. >> also to our left, mike barnacle, we have patches. >> hi, patch. >> this is day two of a 30 day journey we're all going to be on together. growing in the beard for the month of november. >> why are you doing that? >> for women's health. there's a group of people. i've never gone more than a
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week. >> there's a spot right there that's not going to grow. >> imagine thanksgiving what it will like. >> you'll look like a high school kid desperate to look order. >> i need your patience, america. we'll get through this together. >> i'm not sure it will look good. >> i'm sure. i'm 100% sure. >> speaking of frightening, look at the front page of the "new york post." >> we have another guest. going all in. i don't know. >> okay. >> holy cow. >> all right. stop that. >> it's horrible. in washington we have former white house press secretary and msnbc contributor robert gibbs. >> good morning. >> can i ask you something? can we start -- is there something else in the news other than the affordable care act? >> no. i think this is worth listening to. we need to put this in
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perspective. yes. we have toronto mayor in this block. if you zip it i'll get that in. can you do that? that's my dangling, i'll show the toronto mayor. >> but i have to sit and listen to more disastrous news. >> it's not that disastrous but not characterized well in the roll out and they are paying for it. because when you have robert gibbs stories of people get moved or upgraded or not able to go to their doctors that's going to get in the news and i'm surprised, i'm so surprised that wasn't considered as something they needed to make sure. 5% -- >> did you see -- >> i did. hell of a story on nick sabin. >> the gitmo story. he's talking about you know we aldo have constitutional rights.
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no, shiek mohammad doesn't have constitutional rights. but those prisoners, harold, as a fellow attorney -- >> fellow prisoner. >> those attorneys -- i'm doing all i can to stall the obama care. i want to make this point. we really, our government needs to explain why people have been held up to 12 years without any charges. >> amazing. >> why are they down there? i understand we let people out of gitmo, they went out and killed people and committed random acts of terror. but we need a full accounting of people that have been down there for a dozen years without any charges filed there just sitting there rotting. >> i don't fully agree. i take some of our government's word at their word that some of these folks, if they went back,
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could pose a harm and a threat. now don't get me wrong. there should be a way to account and explain this. i think the administration, others need to do a better job. at the end of the day if you tell me the risk of keeping them there versus some challenge we have around explaining versus sending them back, and i think you would agree. sending them and facing a threat to the country. >> i agree. they can rot in there. >> just explain it. >> for the rest of their lives. before you have a right to do that you have to explain to the american people why we have people locked up for a dozen years and we haven't even brought any charges. >> the snowden matter only exacerbates it and makes it more urgent. >> i'm not sitting here and playing defense attorney. like padea we held him on bogus
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charges -- so there we go. we stayed away -- >> the sabin story was unbelievable. >> we all watched "60 minutes." >> apologize for miami. >> he said it reflected very poorly on my character the way i left there. >> a lot of stuff i learned. >> a real regret. never seen regret from nick sabin. he had it last night on "60 minutes." now go to your affordable care act. we should do more than kick the president around. >> according to the associated press, 3.5 million americans have been issued cancellation notices. >> but the president -- >> think about this. you want 7 million signed up but right now you have 3.5 million kicked off. it's about 5% that are going to experience this upgrade or this move to another plan not being
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able to see their doctors. listen to me. >> if you like -- >> in the grand scheme of things, it's a small number and it should have been considered if you know anything about rolling out anything in the press. you should have known there would have been pieces on this. you should have known it would have been heartwrenching. >> why didn't the media push the president. >> they are pushing now. that number is likely to go up as data from half the states remains unavailable. "the washington post" reports in 2010 the white house was split on how to run the obama care exchanges. the president's top economic advisors including larry summers wanted a health reform zarqawi with health insurance experience and tech experience. but the president decided to stick with his political team after health advisors said they could handle the job. david cutler was warning that no
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one was quote up to the task and he told the post that they were running the biggest start up in the world and didn't have anyone who had run a start up or even a business. it's very hard to think of a situation where the people best at getting legislation passed are best at implementing it. yesterday, david axelrod defended the president on "meet the press." >> why did not you or somebody else say to him, mr. president, don't say no matter what you're going to keep your health care plan. was that bad practice? >> hindsight is 20/20. >> that's why you're there. >> there's a small group of people -- the vast majority much americans. the thing here is that the website wasn't up because many of those people who had to transition will get better insurance for less money but they just can't tell that now because they can't get on the website. >> earlier in the show, former
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republican nominee for president mitt romney was critical of president obama's handling of the law. >> i think the key thing that the president is trying to get away from and that is he told people they could keep their insurance and that wasn't the truth. whether you like the model of obama care or not the fact the president sold it under a model is not true the. the only way he can rebuild credibility is work with republicans and democrats and rebuild a foundation. we got to have a president that can lead. right now he's not able to do so. >> as for the website government officials say healthercare.gov will go off line temporarily on a daily basis to fix its ongoing issues. >> robert gibbses i want to go back to something that was said before in the "the washington post." it's stunning that you have the biggest start up ever run by somebody that had never run a
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start up before or had business experience before. i mean, looking back, people are scratching their heads for years how did they make these mistakes. how did mistakes like this happen inside the west wing? >> i think that's a fairly devastating story because it is clear -- i think there's one line in there that said no one person had purview over the entire project. look, i worked very closely with a woman that's mentioned in that story, nancy, who is fabulous, and she's not a political aide to the president, she was a hearth aide. part of the problem is nancy got pronoted deputy chief of staff for policy and taken away from the day-to-day of health care. but there's no not whether it's hhs, cms, inside the white house, the results now after the first month are fairly clear that nobody was in charge of this project full time because as was mentioned i think in the
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lead in you got six people that have -- that signed up on the first day according to reports and i do agree with what david axelrod said. the cancellations had been speaked by the fact you can't get on the website. in many cases you'll qualify for a better health care policy. >> robert you're a communications guy and you were there. how could the president say and there's a clip we show where he says many, many -- i remember it. when you know that 5% of the people and 5% is obviously a small part of the story and overall the exact if you believe in this law is better than what happens here but it's millions of people. you know what's going to happen in the press. you know there's going to be
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hardships for those people. why would you let your president say that? >> well, look, i don't recall significant discussions around some of the verbage on this to be hundred percent. >> due agree it was a wrong move? >> certainly. i don't think anybody dealing with this today finds what was said. now, do i think some explanation in terms of the fact that policies that were in place at the point at which the president signed them were grandfathered in for this. the insurance companies have been changing those policies and then they are not in the grandfathered set of insurance policies. so certainly there is some insurance company discussion that has to be had here as to why so many of these policies on the individual market changed so quickly. but, again, i do think you will have an understanding, and this is why the website is so
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important, jean it has to get fixed sooner rather than later and that is so many people on this, in this individual market will find a better policy at a better price. they can't see that right now because the website is broke. >> so, mike, for every newer to that tries or every new person who tries to spin and tries to make this less than it really is, 5%, actually it's millions and millions of people, there's a column this morning in the "wall street journal." i fought and survived stage four gall bladder cancer. with a five year survival rate of less than 2%. i'm determined fighter and extremely lucky. but this luck may have just run out. my affordable life-saving medical insurance policy has just been cancelled, effective december 31st. and she can't keep her doctor. she can't keep her plan. and she can't keep the team
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together that's kept her alive. >> joe, no matter which number you're going under, whether it's 3.5 million thrown off their insurance or told they will have to find a new doctor, 5 million, whatever the number it is this is an unmitigated disaster for the president and the people of this country. robert, my question to you off "the washington post" piece yesterday one thing stuck out to me and that's larry summers name. larry summers was an outsider in the very inner circle of that administration. obviously most of you that have been together since 2007, some of you earlier in running for the senate and then in running for the presidency. an outsider larry summers says hey we have to take a look at this because if it gets screwed up. so the question is how insular was that white house or is that white house now? who other than you and i know you would go into the oval and give the president bad news, who in that white house would go in
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and say, mr. president, this is a mess. we got to put the brakes on and fix it. >> very good question. >> look, i think david axelrod can do that, rahm emanuel can do that. >> they are not there. >> but mike asked me the question as to who would have done it then. larry understood, because he's an enormously bright man how complex this situation, how complex the roll out would be and how complex the procedure was to set it up. you know, again, reading that story and finding out -- i think you get into that story in late last year they realized the exchange wasn't where it needed to be. they were way behind, contractors weren't doing what they needed to do. there was going be very little end to end testing on the website. that obviously appears to be true. >> so why not delay the launch? >> yeah. again, i don't think, joe, anybody -- it's a good question.
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i don't know the answer because, again, we're learning -- all of this stuff after the law happened so i don't know the answer. >> just to underline one more time that piece that you read, joe, in the "wall street journal." yes there are 15% of americans who are uninsured, this law could be a good thing for them. 80% employer insurance will be okay. when i hear this dismissal of the 5% of the people, it's 14 million americans. any percentage of that group is having its insurance cancelled and having to go out and find insurance which in many cases has higher premiums or higher deductible that's a terrible thing. so let's not say 5% is a tiny sliver. those are americans. >> it contradicts what we were told. >> big misstep. >> some people admit it was a contradiction or a lie. it's a small sliver. that's a lot of americans. that's a lot of people. >> yes, it was a lie but a small lie. not for the people out there
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that are going to die because of this. and there are, unfortunately, you read this heartbreaking column of this woman who fought stage four cancer and is now going to have to be kicked off her plan. >> who in communications doesn't know that won't explode as a story? i don't get that. >> we ought to look at the 15%, this is helpful for them. that's true. but 5% of americans could potentially be hurt. >> we were promised by our president 26, 27 times that they were going to be able to keep their insurance. >> go to new jersey. >> take us to jersey. >> a lot of elections. election day tomorrow across the country in new jersey where voters head to the polls, governor chris christie will win reelection. the latest quinnipiac poll has him up over two to one over
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barba barbara buono. christie and his supporters hope to show the republican party how to win an election. we caught up with governor cristy on the campaign trail over the weekend and asked him what will likely be his victory speech on tuesday. >> sounds like you're planning for a message beyond new jersey. is that a fair assessment? >> i'm not planning for it. i think it's inevitable. people look at elections and they try to discern about what they mean at that moment and what they mean for the future. i think that what people will see is so unusual for what our party has created in the last couple of years that invariably people will draw from us. >> is the margin necessary to lay a future for your career? >> i don't think so. barack obama won the state by 17 points a year ago. the fact that you're talking to a republican about margin rather than can you win or. >> really good thing to have.
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>> at this stage you look at chris christie and say that's a very impressive guy with a great track record w-a demonstrated ability to work across the aisle, with support of labor and blue collar voters in new jersey. it's a pretty good compelling story and there's some other compelling stories. paul ryan, jeb bush, marco rubio. there's a long list of very capable people. chris christie stands out as one of the strongest lights of the republican party. >> does ted cruz stand out to you as a potential light of the republican party? >> i won't disqualify anybody but i think i indicated some of the names that are most effective in becoming elected. >> chris christie on his way. you know, it always happens between politics. game change has come out. >> double down. >> and they are going to be here in a little bit talking about that. there's some stuff in there about chris christie that's now going to be hanging over him.
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yesterday campaign ended with him we saw the picture yelling at a teacher. careful. >> i got to be careful. got to be careful. keep your head down. >> interesting dynamic between the two men we saw, governor christie and governor romney. >> what about virginia? i think it's going to be a lot closer -- when they say it's over, a lot closer. i could be dead wrong. >> president obama was on the campaign trail there in the state of virginia yesterday for the democratic candidate terry mcauliffe. he's the front-runner right now. president didn't waste any time linking ken cuccinelli to the national tea party. >> you've seen an extreme faction of the republican party that has shown again and again and again that they are willing to hijack the entire party and the country and the economy and
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grind progress to an absolute halt if they don't get 100% of what they want. if you embrace the very politics that led to this shutdown, i guarantee you it's not in the rear view mirror of voters in virginia they remember. they understand that that is not how you govern and that is not how you move america forward. >> cuccinelli's campaign predicted president obama's visit would energize be republican voters outraged over the obama care rollout exchanges. terry mcauliffe leads cuccinelli by 12 points. >> that's a big gap. >> that's massive. >> we'll see. okay. are we going to go to toronto or should we wait until little center i think we'll do it after the break. you all haven't been that well behaved.
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>> let's smoke. >> no. let's not. that's bad. >> help me out, willie. >> terry wins this race. christie wins this race. does it mean anything? >> it's a case study. ken cuccinelli has run a tough, hard right campaign. he put out a book questioning social security, medicare. he's been a flame thrower. he called bob mcdonnell a liberal. so, you got these two states that barack obama won. and then one state you have somebody running a hard right campaign and if he loses to terry mcauliffe especially. terry mcauliffe doesn't look like, talk like, act like a virginia governor. it will be a shock if he wins that state. >> differ with you a little bit.
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he's proven -- he's a deal maker, a business guy. democrats like that. >> he wins big in a state like virginia looking like an outsider. it's more damning for the type of campaign cuccinelli ran whereas you go up to jersey chris christie in this blue state that no republicans won since 1988, he's the first pro life governor to win since roe v wade, yeah he's provided blueprint in how republicans can get back in the landslide game on a national scale. >> coming up on "morning joe," chris matthews joins us. and zeke emanuel joins us. plus chuck. mark halperin and john heileman. went the top stories in the political playbook. but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning.
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this is the benefit right here that extra hour. the earlier sunrise, no drive in the dark any more if you're is going to work early. the sun will set surprisingly early this evening. temperatures one of the coldest mornings we've seen. 23 in albany. new york city avoided the hard freeze at 35. very cord in hartford. one or two day cold event. it will warm up to the 60s by the middle of this week. no complaints. at least it will be sunny during the day today as far south as d.c. to florida. middle of the country has some troublesome weather. looking at a winter storm watch in minneapolis. looking for the first significant snow of the season. how much snow? this will come tuesday late in the day into the overnight hours into wednesday morning. not too bad but looks like three, four, maybe five inches enough to shovel out there. we'll watch that in the next 24 hours. otherwise on this monday morning rainy in texas. and that spread into tuesday. pretty good size storm in the middle of the country.
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. time now -- >> you see kenney? >> yeah. couldn't figure out who that was. >> you showed the picture. that's kenney. >> he had a hat on. that's amazing. >> most important than that you see whose above kenney. look at pretty boy. was he sitting town there? >> yes. that's blasphemous.
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you see barnacle here. very interesting. most people sitting next to the secretary of state would actually talk to the secretary of state. no. no. >> he did not speak. >> he didn't speak to anybody the entire game. he just kept looking at the dugout which was right there. barnacle finally with two outs left, i mean with one out left turned around and looked at us and did the sign. like two outs. and path little smile on his face. >> he was dialed in. >> he was dialed in. big papi. >> strange. >> he's here. jon lester is here and they are talking to each other the whole game. he's not talking to civilians. >> he does that the entire game. sometimes on a slow sunday game, they are beating the rangers, but lobster rolls are ordered
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from the dugout. >> liked it when he finally came to life at the end of the game. it was so wonderful to see him smile. time now to take a look at the morning papers. from our parade of papers the "l.a. times" the country's third largest airport is up and running but there's underlying safety concerns at lax after a man used an assault rifle to kill one tsa agent. accused shooter 23-year-old paul ciancia is in critical condition after officers shot him several times. he was carrying five high capacity magazine, a bag of ammo and a handwritten letter explaining his rampage in what he called an effort to instill fear. >> there's a story that his father got a text message that scared him. he immediately called local police in new jersey who immediately called the lapd who immediately scrambled and went to his house. everybody did what everybody could do. unfortunately this was just a random terrible act of a guy
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that's talking about the new world order and a bunch of, unfortunately, bizarre conspiracy theorys. let's go to toronto. the "toronto star" tells us toronto's embattled mayor, rob ford and i've never seen a man smoke crack as fat as rob ford he said he won't step down despite a video allegedly showing him smoking crack cocaine. he admitted to being hammered at a street festival in august. he always says he plans to ride out the storm and run for mayor again. ford is also the chief of police to release the video so the city can judge for themselves if that's the truth. despite all of this a recent poll in toronto shows support for him improving. he's now sitting at 44% approval and we americans thought that we were forgiving when bill clinton's approval rating went
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over 60% after monica lewinsky. that got nothing. they got a mayor -- the canadians always have to one up up us. you know what they are saying. you know what? we got our guy smoking crack in public. >> stop. >> tampa bay times, charlie crist has filed paper work to run for his old office again. this time as a democrat. crist was the republican governor but became a democrat last year. if selected he'll face rick scott. >> this is crazy. this is a guy who growing up this guy was mr. republican. he ran for every republican seat. he was the attorney general. they called him chain gang charlie because he was tough on crime. he was a right-winger. then he hugged barack obama and
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boom. crazy. >> what do you say his chance is here? >> i think against a candidate that can't self-fund the way rick scott can would be good. rick scott is going to absolutely open him up like a rusty can. >> really? >> because rick scott even made bill mccallum look like a liberal. you know, it made him look like this. you know, made him look like a comme. he runs so me ads. "new york post" today. who are they supporting in the race? >> that's funny. >> so, anyway, charlie is going to get hammered and he's already started it, you guys may have shown an ad where they show all these democrats coming out saying what a two face weasel
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charlie crist is. >> and you have a video of him talking about democrats. >> mike allen, the chief of the white house correspondent for politico. mike, good to have you up here. first thing, your screaming headline this morning is ominous one for ken cuccinelli. it reads cuccinelli fights off stench of doom. you also have a piece up, texas tea party members trying recruit what they say is another ted cruz. >> oh, boy. >> who are they looking at and why? >> ted cruz is driving the conversation in the republican party much to the dismay of republicans so in texas they are talking about bringing another tea party guy, a ted cruz-type to run against senator jon cornyn who is up next year. david barton who helped ted cruz win. they call him an vevangelical
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historian. >> a little background. david barton goes back and shows all the quotes of the founding fathers. very explicitly makes the point that this country was founded by men of great faith. so david barton, a lot of evangelicals know who this guy is. he probably has a national following. >> do you think he's qualified to be in the united states senate with that kind of temperament? >> everybody else is? >> you can't ask that question the same way any more. >> will he improve the quality of service, leadership and ability to get things done? >> i don't know. i don't know. >> right now? >> i have not interviewed him for united states senate. i just say i know david barton, i like him. on my book shelf for 20 years
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has been his books. >> so, you're right that he will have a big national fundraising base but here are the problems. one, it's very late to be going up against a sitting senator, especially in jon cornyn, tons of money, and david barton will have a lot of trouble attracting support from people who otherwise might step out for him, some of the things he said including, comparing homosexuality to a health disorder. >> who said that? >> david barton. one of those books on your shelf. >> didn't read that in any of my books. >> let's review that question again. >> so, in the view of those recruiting david barton is jon cornyn in the ryan judge category? is he now not conservative enough? >> he's voted with ted cruz. they joked the only two senators with two votes each or rand paul and ted cruz because they've
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gotten jon cornyn and mitch mcconnell to go with them so many times. >> but ted cruz who is not helpful was asked by somebody if he's going to endorse jon cornyn a couple of months ago he said no. >> he's got religion on that. last week he said he would not endorse insurgents against his colleagues. designee has moved a little bit. ted cruz has. >> yeah. >> he's been burned. >> mike, thank you very much. coming up -- >> great to have mike on the set. you're trying to push him off and that makes me sad. >> the texans took a three score lead in the first half last night but then one scary moment changed the whole game. we'll show you what happened. ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪
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in demanding his players be as exacting as he is, sabin can be volcanic. >> i told you three times already today. >> why are you so tough on people? >> i don't know if that's fair that i'm really tough on people. we create a standard for how we want to do things. and everybody has got to buy
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into that standard or you can't have any team chemistry. mediocre people don't like high achiefers and high achiefers don't like mediocre people. >> that's nick sabin. here's your bcs standings. alabama, florida state, oregon. >> i'll tell you what, fsu, they are for real. >> with a freshman quarterback. >> they are rolling people. they are exciting. i tell you what, oregon too. what if those three teams end up undefeated. how do you tell one of those teams they are not playing for the national championship. >> why don't they schedule -- >> the problem is the league is so bad they have to go out of conference. they have to start scheduling. >> texas a&m or something. it's amazing -- >> michigan place in the final game of the season. we'll get this all settled. >> at the big house. >> at the big house.
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>> are we invited? >> absolutely. we'll take care of our business. >> listen, oregon man. there's a thing about oregon, oregon always takes care of themselves. sometime late in the season -- >> they play thursday. >> 33 yard field goal and miss it. two of our national championships are owed to short field goals missed by oregon. these guys are one of the best college teams in america and been a couple of field goals short. >> i propose "morning joe" does the show from oregon friday morning. or thursday night. >> is there a better place in america? >> a lot of energy. >> a lot of good stuff going on. >> let's talk a little nfl. some real drama on sunday night. colts and texans. check out the spot shadow. houston had the lead. the head coach collapses while heading to the locker room. texans head coach. team said he did not have a
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heart attack. he got light headed and fainted. he's in stable condition. but really scary moment there at the game. seemed to deflate the texans a little bit. colts staged a come back after andrew luck's touchdown passes. time ran out, the colts get the come back win 27-24. again they say the coach is in stable condition, not a heart attack. so he's out. kid luck is something else. >> called him. >> yes, did you. >> i said it here a thousand times. >> these p.a.c. 12 quarterbacks are the best. . >> come on. >> p.a.c. 12. don't ever draft him. >> this guy is amazing. let's go up to foxborough. >> steelers/patriot, tom brady.
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brady goes up top to dobson. the pats tile it on. take the 55-31 win. most points the steelers have ever loud in a game. saints visiting the jets here in new york. new york trailing by eight in the second quarter. chris ivory goes in for the touchdown and gets his former team cuts the statements lead to a single point. geno smith the rookie takes it in himself off a misdirection, cuts it inside. that gives the jets the lead. help the jets earn a are surprising 26-21 win over the saints. here's the was a. the trail the pats by two. two games back. >> visiting the bills here, he runs it back 100 yards. ties it up. makes a completion over the middle. the ball is punched loose.
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returned for a touchdown. the chiefs win 23-13. they are 9-0 on the season. i would remind you they were 2-14 last year. >> two touchdowns. >> i'll tell you what in playing the broncos in a couple of weeks what a game. got to go out there. coming up next the founder of the faith and freedom coalition, ralph reed will join us for the must read opinion pages. don't go, we'll be right back with more "morning joe". jackie: there are plenty of things i prefer to do on my own. but when it comes to investing,
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republicans in october had one of the worst months ever. their approval ratings dropped to 18% in a cbs poll, all time low in gallup and nbc news journal and you wait long enough, we just get out of the way and now the white house is just having a horrific time as well. what does this republican party do moving forward to avoid the mistakes of the last month or two? >> the first thing you do when your opponent is in the process of committing suicide you stay out of camera range. while the obama administration is dealing with explaining why the president of the united states told people of the united states repeatedly if you like your policy you can keep it, we now know that as of early as of july 2009 the white house knew that wasn't the case. you let that message burn in. that's not enough. after that you have to do three things. number one you have to say what you're for not just against. it's not enough being against
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obama care. what's our plan. secondly you need to have some win candidates who are effective messengers who can win people who even don't always agree with you on every issue. you look at really good politicians, they get people to vote for them who don't necessarily agree with them on everything. >> can you imagine if the tea party group hadn't done all this shut down stuff and they waited and let this just play out can you imagine the position the berth be in right now? wouldn't it be far better, far stronger? and just successful on every level because they have this roll out story. >> i was not a big fan of the shut down strategy primarily because i was a veteran of the shut down in tea 90s. >> i was there. >> i was on speaker gingrich's advisory group, outside advisory group. i was in the room. >> this is my point exactly. >> we learned those lessons. >> but what i didn't realize, joe, i talked to these guys privately because i didn't
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it is the top of the hour and zeke is already talking. welcome back to "morning joe" here with us now. nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of the daily run down, chuck todd, former white house adviser and vice
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provost for global initiatives, zeke emanuel and the host of msnbc's "hardball," and -- >> that was such a hidden thing in there. >> chris matthews. >> robert gibbs is also with us in washington. >> so, last hour i tried to avoid talking about the affordable care act at the top of the show and so we talked about "60 minutes." today let's talk politics. >> i love it. >> i've been reading everything. >> i want to start with virginia. i think the contrast between what's happening in virginia, a state obama won and new jersey a state the president also won couldn't be more stark. >> well, virginia is now clinton territory. it's staked out by bill and
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hilary. they will win big. they will be in the winner's circle. they will be very much the beneficiaries of it. it's a state that's the bellwether for the country. >> 51-39. i think it's going to be tighter than that. >> 7:00 closing tuesday night which a lot of those single woman, right across the river are dynamite. jim moran people. dynamite against cuccinelli, mainly. they got to get home from work on the shirley highway by 7:00 and vote. that's tough. >> before you get to the occoquan. >> you look at these things with some precision. >> so many things have worked against ken cuccinelli. it's almost like a perfect storm. >> it was. let's start from the very beginning. ken cuccinelli was a flawed candidate going in.
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here you are in a swing state. >> they forced a primary, they forced a convention, attention recognizes, if you want to get candidates that don't have broad support please force a convention and lose. >> terry mcauliffe's campaign on friday did a post mortem but making a few points. they said terry mcauliffe had a luxury that ken cuccinelli didn't, which is if you move to the center and you're a democratic nominee your base doesn't punish you. your base doesn't get angry. you move to the center as a republican nominee and the base gets angry. and we can actually see it in new jersey with chris christie. there's not a large tea party base in new jersey so not many people are angry at him. look at his national numbers. over the last six months his numbers overall with the middle have been fine, gotten better. no republican does better nationally than chris christie with independents. but with tea party republicans it's gotten worse.
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here it is. this is the great riddle of chris christie for president. here is the most electable candidate that republicans could put up in a generation. >> pro life. >> yet that base of the republican party doesn't like this idea flirted too much with democrats or he's too bipartisan. they don't like that style. are they going punish him for it. that's been the problem. >> i think he has a jimmy carter thing going for. he'll have three or four tough guys. if chris runs and rand paul runs he's in great shape. >> what about jon huntsman. >> i don't think he's going run. >> somebody will split the difference between two wings. chris christie has to figure out -- his persona, you know, the sort of don't, i don't take any beef, that could play well to some tea partiers and it did
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earlier in his career. >> this is insane. this is a guy first pro life governor in new jersey since roe v wade passed. he stood up against the unions. took them down. took the democrats down on budget issues. he's been as conservative as a conservative could be in new jersey. and yet there are some nimrods out there that say he's not conservative enough. these people would scream at ronald reagan for winning 49 states. >> there's a lot of nimrods. >> it used to be we would celebrate people, like myself i'll just say, that were hard right, but could get independents and democrats to vote for them. that's how you win land slides. >> peggy noonan drives me crazy sometimes. she traveled around with him this weekend. the guy is a politician. knees how to win. he loves it.
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i once made a joke about him. we make comments we're not proud and i made a comment about him being overweight. he called me up about 4:00 in the afternoon, governor christie. i probably shouldn't have said that. instead of playing the card i've got you on higher ground than you, he says you know what i'm working on it. i'm trying. i felt like oh, god the guy knows who he is. >> the bob bennett loss in utah has really empowered them. they think they can dictate everything because of these victories against a very conservative guy. >> they lost against mccain and/or rhine hatch. their win/loss record is very interesting. i don't think they can knock off everybody. >> we look, we're talking about robert gibbs, we're talking about who does this right. who can be conservative enough, but still get votes from
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crossover voters. the guy who really, i think, we believed over the past four years have been better at it than anybody else is obviously in trouble right now in virginia, bob mcdonnell was the role model as far as we could see. very conservative. conservative socially. but in the campaign he was nonideological, bobs for jobs. he was ronald reaganesque in that he had a conservative ideology but a moderate temperament. and it was, it seemed to really work. i think one of the great tragedies of his problems lately there aren't a lot of republicans that could get people together like bob mcdonnell, right? >> i think certainly his ethical troubles have transcended everything he tried to do. >> i understand that. >> look, the messaging in 2009
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was very moderate, middle of the road, bring people together to get things done. i think the ethics troubles have hurt ken cuccinelli. he has the same trouble with the very same donors. ralph reed mention this. governors will step into the limelight after what has happened because of the shutdown. i think somebody like a scott walker, you know, it has been a long time since republicans had won in that upper midwestern region of the country that they really do have to do well in. if a republican can win some of the northeast like a christie can, that's sort of gravy. the truth is you got to win some part of wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, iowa. and truthfully it's been since really the george w. bush's re-election in 2004. they haven't been tremendously
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competitive in these areas. i agree with chuck. the real big lift for chris christie politically begins after he gets re-elected and that is how does he take this image of being electable and win a primary. because it's going to be an exceedingly difficult thing to do. you know, interesting to watch ralph reed with the faith and freedom voters is, you know, can chris christie appeal to a faith and freedom voter. and can he run this gauntlet of a primary which is very difficult. >> why wouldn't he? again, he's pro life. he sends his kids to a christian school. seriously -- anyway. >> we'll get to obama care in a second. >> he's a conservative winning in new jersey. really quickly i want to ask you about alabama. a district right by my home town of pensacola, florida.
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>> thought you were going to talk about college football. >> you got bradley burn, running against dean young. this is seen as a bellwether. bradley burn, i know the guy, like him a lot. >> he's been a victim of the tea party once. okay. he's not governor of alabama today because he basically was the center, he was the moderate candidate. he had jeb bush support him in the primary. apparently that hurt him. that defined him as this pragmatic centrist as far as republicans were concerned. he lost that primary pretty badly. >> what's going to happen on tuesday? >> how do you bet against a tea party republican? this is a -- he's a little more evangelical, to borrow a phrase from the christian broadcasting network, but he's part of that wing of alabama republican party
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which was there before the tea party. how do you bet against him in a small turn out election? >> know. bradley is a great leader and bradley would have been a great governor. >> if he does win, this is a big loss -- it's more of -- the expectations to me are on the tea party. >> let's get to obama care. zeke is here. chris matthews is here. >> what does that mean? >> the two of them are going to seriously interrupt each other to the point of -- >> look -- >> just chaos. it's going to be chaos. >> it's early in the morning. >> he's putting on his baby face. >> when you're a good selling author like this -- >> tip and the gipper. >> i know what you're signing here about governor christie. he's likeable. everybody in politic, low numbers and crunching. wait a minute. like that one i don't like that one. and that's how people mostly vote. >> think of mitt romney.
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>> great advertising but the dog didn't like the food. you can advertise up the gazoo -- corzine. they preferred christie. >> obviously i'm on the other side of the aisle. according to the associated press 3.5 million americans have already been issued cancellation notices from their health insurance providers. that number is likely to go up as data from half the states remains unavailable. and "the washington post" reports in 2010 the white house was split on how to run the obama care exchanges. zeke, you saidided with larry summers but the president -- >> how you do not put somebody in charge of this program. "the washington post" a damning quote, it was the biggest launch, the biggest start up in
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the history of the world and they didn't have anybody to run. that staurpt. that had ever run a staurpt. one person ran the whole thing. >> how do you explain this? >> well, i'm not here to defend the decision. it was clearly a very important thing. the president was on it. he thought he had a sufficient team. >> he was wrong. >> i think part of the problem here is there wasn't one person where this particular aspect of health care was their one singular focus. every morning they got up and ran it. i know they tried to get people -- they tried to get the guy who ran the massachusetts exchange to come and run it in a don't know the status of those negotiations. as i said in the "new york times" i do think they need a ceo. >> they need one person. one person to run it. >> they have jeff science to run it for two months to fix it before the end of the year. i think they need to hire that
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kind of ceo-type figure and give her that type of responsibility. >> you think? >> this is a long game. everyone is worried about this quarter. this is a long game. >> wait. do we have that clip from "new york" magazine? it's a long game, chuck todd but look at this. >> game started in 2010. >> you can keep your plan if you are swafd it. if you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. you keep your plan. if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. if you got health insurance you can keep it. if you like your health care plan you can keep it, your plan. if you got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. if you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it. if you like your health care
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plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan. if you like your private health insurance plan you can keep it. if you want to keep the health insurance you got, you can keep it. if you like the insurance plan you have now, you can keep it. if you like your insurance plan you'll keep it. so, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your plan, keep your plan. if you like your current insurance, you will keep your current insurance. if you like your plan you can keep your plan. if you like your plan u-can keep your plan. if you are happy with what you got nobody is changing it. >> seriously, chris matthews, seriously, the question i have for you is you know what you do for a living. you know what we do for a living.
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you know what the media does for a living. they will go out after the people and find the stories and it's not hard to find when it's 5% of the american population that's going to have some problems. it's still a small part of the big problem. >> the lady with stage four cancer that's been kicked off the plans. >> first you're a cancer victim who your rooting for the guy helping you or the other party that never tried. democrats are arguing or efficiency. they are not the most efficient crowd in the world. they are trying to get people health insurance. >> chris, that's great but why let your president go out there and say that. >> second point. he has to fix this. >> yeah. >> because two things if he's only this guy in the junk policies the one catastrophic five bucks a month that's fine. but if he's setting new standards, ten new standards for your policy to pass muster nobody was told there were ten standards that their policy had
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to meet before they were allowed to keep it. he just said you keep it. everybody thought they could keep their plan. that was a selling point. that's what people heard. >> the rule is, the law did not kick anyone off their plan, the law did not say you had to cancel those plans, the law said if on march 23rd, 2010 you're in place as long as you keep that plan in place and don't change it radically, you can stay on it forever. you can drive your pinto without air bags or seat belts forever. on the other hand if the insurance company changes the plan, if you go off that plan to another plan you have to get a new plan. who is making that plan, the insurance companies. let me give you a little secret. >> come on. >> let me finish one thing. >> that's garbage. >> one more thing. >> this is so beneath you. >> it's not beneath me. one more thing. >> you are better than this. >> the insurance companies want out of that market that's why
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they are changing the plans. >> it was the most obvious -- this is why i never understood when he said it. let's take the statement as a state of fact. four of us right here get our insurance from comcast. do you know how many times we've had to change insurance? i think i've been here six years. i think i've changed between ge and all this stuff -- >> every year. >> probably almost every year. i've had no choice. i've had no say in that matter. my company had that say. when he said it immediately i'm thinking how is that going to work because you can't -- he may have been talking about the individual market but he never said that number one. he may be talking about what you're saying, number two. no fast lawyer talk fine print at the end of the ad. none of that was there. >> you don't give a fine print in a political speech. be serious. >> if he said it 26 times and
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knew it wasn't true every time he said it. >> we put the grandfathering clause in there to make it true. >> when you say if the insurance companies choose to change then that grandfather -- >> let's make this simple. >> the president changes. >> let's make this really simple. in 2010 the white house itself, the administration itself said when this law goes into effect between 40% and 67% of people will lose their health care insurance. between 40% and 67%. >> of the individual market. >> of the individual market. >> we're talking about 5% of the population. >> you're talking about 5% of the market. >> 15 million people. and they knew between 40% and 67% were going to be kicked off their policies. at the same time, rockbert gibb the president is saying you like your plan you'll keep your plan. >> robert, you were in there,
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you were in that room. why did you guys say it? >> always a communications problem never a policy problem. >> it's a major communications problem. >> well, you know, i was in charge of health care, mika. look, as i said before, look, this is a problem that they are going to have to fix. i think zeke is right. these plans were grandfathered. if you had an existing policy on march 23rd, 2010, you could keep it today if that plan hadn't changed. zeke is right insurance companies want to get out of this market. i think the far bigger problem as i said earlier is none of the people that are getting any cancellation notice or having luck going the website and finding what's in their future and for a lot of these people they will find that they qualify for subsidies, they have a plan where they have a lower deductible and a plan that provides much more in terms of robust alternatives for that policy. the biggest problem right now the website doesn't work and
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people can't go to it and they got fix the website. >> where are we? >> whatever you say, whatever you defend the president is not credible on this any more. he has to get out there and explain because the next six months are critical. he has to be somebody you watch on twice and find out what's going on with health care. if he sticks to this this is a fair estimation -- many people in this country hate accountant, hate lawyers, hate paper work and want to be left alone in a simple world they live in. when he says you won't be bothered it was wonderful for people leave me alone i don't want to hear from the government. he promised them that. you were held harmless. turns out you're not. turns out everything will change four. he's not a credible adviser to you. the president must be a teacher. therefore he's got get back off of this and say part of the problem was me. i explained too simply, it's not that simple. here's what we have to do now. he has to regain that credibility.
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he has to do it now. >> you sit there and say these individual policies stink. >> that's what he has to say. >> but i promise you they will change for the better. that was a promise you could have kept. >> i believe in this law, i support it completely. i believed in it. i do still. that, this whole thing with the 5% of people not getting that promise -- >> 15 million. no good. >> people who deserve no credibility are those that don't believe in health insurance for everybody. cruz and everybody didn't have an alternative. >> i agree. i think to answer your question in six months it's going to be much, much better and by the time we have enrollment it will be much better. >> low bar. >> it's not. one of the things that the exchange has done that we have to be it brought insurance prices way down. >> we'll see.
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there's sticker shock. "l.a. times," sticker shock. you can't dismiss it. >> 30-year-old in l.a. making $18,000 a year can get very good insurance for 50 bucks a month. that's pretty incredible. >> i agree. i agree. >> chris matthews thank you very much. >> dr. zeke emanuel great to have you. robert as well. robert gibbs. chuck stay with us if you can. coming up next -- >> double down. >> mark halperin and john heileman are here to double down. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on. with centurylink as your trusted it partner, you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure.
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>> when there's talk about land mines does that plant any seeds of concern? >> no. because any of that stuff that was in the book was all stuff litigated in the 2009 campaign and litigated again in the
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future. i under that. the fact is these are two guys trying to sale book. sensationalize things. go to low level staff. they want to make money. i under that. i don't begrudge them but it doesn't make it valuable. >> man, with us now mark hall brine and john heileman. they are out with their latest book "double down." so much to talk about. "new york" magazine also, man, i read it early this morning, this newtown story is just absolutely gripping. make sure you get "new york" magazine and read that. the big, the big grabber here, john, i don't know if i can do this. take us in to that meeting during debate prep where the president said to his staff that were trying to pull him up. >> one of the most extraordinary moments we ever come across in our reporting in both of these
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books. the president had the disaster, came out promising to do better. his team thought he was improving. then he gets to the debate prep section of doing williamsburg, virginia, 48 hours before the hofstra debate. they are looking at the research. people are willing to forgive one bad debate performance but if he screws up the second one we could be in real trouble. he gives this horrible performance on this mock debate on sunday night. all the worst things he did in denver, the slow, not driving a sharp message, all of that together with his contempt for romney all comes together in this one -- >> that's sad. if i had contempt against somebody i was running against i wouldn't sleep for two weeks beforehand because i would bury them. that's what i didn't get in this book. he had contempt for romney and yet just absolute utter contempt and yet that was getting in his way. >> the only thing he had more
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contempt for than romney was this thing we've seen throughout his administration, has this enormous contempt for the theatrics of politics. i'm barack obama, i'm like above that. and the combination of that disdain for romney, disdain for the process leads him to this horrible place where 36 hours before the debate they have to sit down with him and stage what they call an intervention, three of the top advisors saying, mr. president, you know, you need embrace this event. what's wrong with you. he sits there and gives a ten minute deconstruction as he says the cover of the magazine shows i'm not wired in the way this is wired. i don't know if i can do. >> you keep telling me i spend too much time defending my record and that i should talk
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about my plans. but my plans aren't anything like the plans i ran on 2008. i had a universal health care plan then. now i've got what? a manufacturing plan? what am i going to do on education? what am i going to do on energy? there's not much there. i can't tell you that okay i woke up today, i knew i needed to do better and i'll do better. obama said i am wired in a different way than this event requires. obama pausd. i just don't know if i can do this. he said. he was like ted kennedy. he didn't know why he was running for president. i got to reason to run. >> this sass john said one of the most extraordinary scenes we came across. it was hard to get because there were only a few people in the room. the president two week before the debate, 48 hours before the election, 48 hours before the debate he's in a bad place. he's been telling them i'm barack obama i never lose two in a row. i'll win the second debate. in this meeting he said i'm not
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sure i can do it. saying he has no plans which was a critique of many republicans, including governor romney and some people in the press the fact he said it in this meeting something that some conservatives are going to seize on to say see he wasn't running on anything. how could he go out and have a serious discussion with mitt romney when he was running a campaign to disqualify mitt romney and not on any kind of specific big things that he wants to be about. >> which is exactly what they told you john heileman back in may of 2011. we really don't have or '12. we don't have our own plan. we have to destroy mitt romney. >> it's one of the things that's -- you think about where he is now. any incumbent president with the poor economic record that the president has with where the country was, the right track, wrong track numbers you were going to run a campaign to disqualify. anybody would have done to it disqualify their opponent.
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the president wanted -- he thought this election could break the fever. and having run a campaign that wasn't really about his own record, nor of it about a future agenda that all it was about was the disqualification of romney. it was at odds of his stated and sincere goal which was how are you going to have a mandate. how are you going to have a clarifying election if all you've proven is mitt romney is unfit for office which he did demonstrably well. >> if you look at this scene which, again, people can read online but a big part of the book, almost everything that he's having trouble with now, trouble with congress, trouble with public opinion, trouble with explaining himself, you can see in that scene where he's laying himself bare in a way he normally doesn't. >> part of this is how much did bill clinton get in his head. you guys did a great job in talking about this relationship going up to the convention. my understanding that convention seat that bill clinton had, he was almost jealous. he couldn't give -- because bill
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clinton got to do what barack obama was criticized by his staffers for doing. >> there's no question a big part of our book almost the narrative through line the relationship between barack obama and bill clinton. in the beginning the president, president obama didn't want to spend time with him. in the fall of '11 when everything looks bad, when it looks like he can't win re-election, they flirt with the notion that hilary being on the ticket they reach out to bill clinton and start bring him in. giving him that slot at the convention was incredible. a guy who he was at war with four years ago gets marquise slot. >> you say couldn't play 18 holes of golf. >> he gets a slot and he does this rambling explanatory thing. >> many people involved in the debate prep said what you said. bill clinton got in his head, where does bill clinton explain my record why can't i go out and give a big speech and they said you can't and that's what got in his head.
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so many things going on in his head. we think of him an unemotional guy. so many things in his head with this debate with john kerry and bill clinton no question a big part of that. >> jon huntsman called your book supermarket tabloid trash. >> called us that. >> called you guys. >> wow. >> why? >> well, he apparently doesn't like having the fact that we report in the book that harry reid's source for claiming mitt romney had not paid taxes for ten years was jon huntsman sr. and he doesn't like that. >> harry reid keeps popping up in your book. >> he's a great character. >> this is a novelist. you can use the harry reid character. >> jon huntsman sr., is a pretty big character in the book. he plead a huge role in his
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son's campaign. he didn't like mitt romney. harry reid didn't like mitt romney. they both talked about stopping mitt romney. >> let me ask you about chris christie. there was an unnamed republican strategist who called me up and said that he thought, and a guy who likes chris christie thought what was in this book could be disqualifying for chris christie. i haven't dug into it. tell us what you find out. what was mitt romney most concerned about in the vetting process that wasn't. >> the conventional wisdom about why christie didn't end up on the ticket the romney people looked at the pay to play rules. he couldn't raise money on wall street. he may have to give money back. that wasn't an issue for romney. bigger issues were the vetters looking at christie looked at the public record and found things in the public record that are public but no one really knows them. know november one at this table, 99% of the people don't know
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that chris christie was a lobbyist for the securities industry association when bernie madoff was the head of it. vetters worked at it he worked for bernie madoff trying to keep financial fraud out of the new jersey state consumer protection law. they had stuff about his brother in an s.e.c. settlement. they saw stuff about spending patterns that the federal inspector general had investigated him for that he had gone around the country and violated spending limits. much of that was in the public record but not widely known. >> what did they consider the most troubling part of christie's past? >> they all liked chris christie. the reason why he got considered, romney looked at this stuff and said i don't apartment sarah palin-like situation where i pick someone and their controversies are the story for three weeks into and fast convention. they looked at this stuff and different people on romney's team seized on different things.
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one of his advisors said to governor romney all this stuff has been looked at. it's true but governor romney was smart now know being looked at in a governor's race ain't the same as if you're on the ticket. >> we'll talk about this coming up. i'll give you a tease. don't bleep me ron. i'm tired of you people. leave me the bleep alone. >> who is that? >> chris christie? >> was that chris christie talking to ron kaufman. >> at the convention. >> a good scene. >> this is over the speech. >> all right. mark and john stay with us. we'll talk much more about the book double town including the back story behind client eastwood rnc chair speech. remember the chair and how he made one romney adviser
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up next we all know obama care has plenty of problems nationally but how are things work on the state level? connecticut governor daniel malloy joins the table next on "morning joe".
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take care of the things that matter most. join today. ♪ 45 past the hour. it has been too long tina brown. >> i was traveling. you were in washington. >> stop it now. >> joining us now democratic governor from connecticut daniel malloy. he can do 1,000 set ups. look how much weight he lost. >> i was watching you and you look so good on tv. >> goodness gray ingenuous. >> and ralph reed is back with us as well. i want to, first of all, "new york" magazine has written a
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stunning article about newtown. what are you guys doing, obviously, december 14th, one year anniversary coming up. what are the plans? >> you know, i think, first of all i can't wait for the 15th of december to get here, to tell the truth for the families, for the town of newtown, for those of us who were involved that day, that's getting by the one year is going to be real important. you know, i think it's going to be a lot lower keithan people think. >> do families want it to be low key. >> i think the families overwhelmingly want it to be low key. the community of newtown wants it to be low key. as low key as something like that can be. lives were changed. you know, beyond anyone's imagination. to be in that room, and you and i have talked about it, to be in that room in the firehouse and to have to tell 26 families that they weren't going to be reunited that day is not easy for me and i didn't lose anyone.
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imagine what that's like for someone who did. >> for the moms and dads it's so heartbreaking. first responders who were there and saw it, whose lives will never be the same. for the brothers and sisters, the coaches. you know, people that have seen these young children grow up from the beginning and i asked about what the plan was because, you know i drove up there quite a bit early saturday morning and walked along sandy hook, walk along the main strip there. and people from around the world would come and put their mementos there, their teddy bears and everything that was so moving but you see this in the "new york" magazine, it was a constant reminder of the horror that had occurred. >> you know, it was devastating for everybody. but i have to tell you, when you look back and you see some of the things that some of these parents have accomplished, involved in advocacy,
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remembering their children, in their daily activities and trying to move forward, a lot of them as you know have become advocates on gun safety and have done remarkable things and accomplished remarkable things. so there's a real dedication on the part of these families to remember their children by good works and good deeds and i think the community is trying to do that. i took a tour of the community up and down the streets a few months ago and it was good to see things going back to normal. >> speaking of connecticut, when are taxes going to be lowered? >> i hope so. >> look at the competition between new york and new jersey, people in manhattan -- do you see the "new york post." but they are subtle. people will be fleeing manhattan in the next two or three years. real subtle. why not have them run up to
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connecticut? >> our top rate is 6.7% as opposed to 8.7% in one of those states and 8.5% in another one of the states. if you look at the hedge fund industry with a maximum maximum 6.7 feeding another place which is close to 12%, there is a substantial tax advantage to being in connecticut. that's a reality. that's one of the reasons that fairfield county, a place that you and i are familiar with. that's why we have seen that trend over a long period of time. coming to connecticut and first in fairfield county. >> connecticut is one of the few states that sets up the exchanges there. you talked about obama care and for the most part it's a wildly complex contraption it is because getting the legislation through congress had so many political trade offs. it was.
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it's such a -- >> it is covered with barnacles. it's a mess. >> some of what nancy pelosi said, we have to pass it to figure out what's in it. >> nobody really understands it even so. there is all this attacking obama and you almost wonder if anybody understands it. there so many compromises and changes. everything was done in this screwed up way. this chain of command that was so screwed up. >> in oracle and the white house hotly denied it, but before they got the debate going, they cut secret deals with big farms and hospitals. you can be for health care reform, but this was an ugly way to go. you had the legislature fighting.
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>> the disturbing part for democrats in 2014 is it will get worse before it gets better. maybe as many as 10 million will lose policies on the individual market, but the employer mandate got delayed. when the employer mandate kicks in and these cancellation notices will go out right before the 2014 election, cbo estimated as many as 14 million people will lose policies that are now being covered by businesses. the businesses will dump the policies. >> i understand people who said where did the tea party come from? it came from the legislation. 2010 and democrats ran and i wonder if democrats running nationally will run from this in 2014 again. >> when i was struck by it r, t
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fact that he doesn't mention it is pathetic. >> he didn't do it in 2010, but we keep hearing good things out of connecticut. you guys are doing well with the exchanges. >> we had 230,000 visits to the website and we signed up 8,000 individuals and the things are going extremely well. >> why can you do that? >> how do you have the numbers? >> i get them every day. i am estimating or averaging up to 8,000. it's 7,617. >> you are a politician? >> we worked and everyone recognizes it. there is a reality that they had
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done things on a regional as opposed to a national basis. >> it would have made a big difference. the obama administration does know the national numbers. they are so pathetic. >> massachusetts signed up 168 the first month. >> there you go. tina brown and ralph reid, thank you so much. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪ ♪ stacy's mom has got it goin' on ♪ [ male announcer ] the beautifully practical and practically beautiful cadillac srx. get the best offers of the season now. lease this 2014 srx for around $369 a month with premium care maintenance included.
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>> a new report shows only six people signed up for the affordable care act on the troubled first day. president obama is doing slightly better than guitar lessons by mike. according to a poll, president obama's approval rating reached a new low of 42%. it got so bad even beau is trying to distance himself. >> it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. get out of bed, willie. you don't even have to shave today. just get up. take a look at new york city. it's beautiful out. we have mike barnacle and in washington, robert gibbs. >> now go to the affordable care act. it makes me sad. >> according to the associated press at least 3.5 million americans have been issued cancellation notices.
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3.5 million. think about this. >> if you like your policy, you can keep it right? >> 3.5 million have been kicked off. about 5% will experience this upgrade or this move to another plan. not being able to see their doctors. it's bad. in the grand scheme of things, it is a small number and should have been considered if you know anything about rolling out anything in the press. you should have known there would be pieces on this and it would have been heart wrenching. there heart wrenching stories. >> why didn't he push more when he said you can keep your policy. >> they are pushing. may i continue? half the states have it available. "the washington post" reports in 2010, the white house will split on how to run the obama care exchanges. the president's top economic
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advisers wanted a health reform czar with business and tech experience to run the program. the period decided to stick with his team after health advisers said they could handle the job. the who wrote a white house memo was warning that no one was up to the task and they said they were running the biggest start up in the world and didn't have anyone who would run a start up or a business and it's hard to think of a situation where the people best at getting legislation passed are best at implementing it. yesterday former white house adviser david axelrod defended the period on "meet the press." >> why didn't you or someone say to him mr. president don't say no matter what you will keep your plan. >> hindsight is 20-20. >> that's why you are there. >> the vast majority of americans that statement will hold true for for the small group of americans it hasn't.
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the thing here is the website was not. many of the people who had the transition will get better insurance for less money. they can't tell them. >> earlier in the show, former republican nominee for president mitt romney was critical of president obama's handling of the law. >> i think the key thing the president is trying to get away from and he told people they could keep the insurance and whether you like the model or not the fact that the president sold it on a basis that was not true undermined the foundation of his second term. i think it is rotting it away and the only way he could rebuild is to work with republicans and democrats and rebuild a foundation. we have to have a president that can lead. right now he is not able to do so. >> government officials say healthcare.gov will go off line temporarily on a daily basis to
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fix the ongoing issues. >> robert gibbs, i want to go back to something that was said before. it is stunning that the big effort start up ever run by somebody that never had run a start up before or had business experience before. looking back, people will be scratching their heads for years. how do mistakes like this happening and how do mistakes like this happen in the west wing? >> that's a devastating story because it's clear and think there is one lot in there who said no one person had perview over the project. look, i worked closely when they mentioned that story and she is not a political aide to the president, but a health care aide. part of the problem was nancy got promoted to deputy chief of staff for policy and taken away from the day to day of health
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care. no doubt where it is, the results now after the first month are fairly clear. nobody was in charge of this full time because as was mentioned i think in the lead in, you have six people that signed up on the first day according to reports. i do agree with what david axelrod said. the cancellations have been exacerbated with the fact that you can't get on the website to find out what the alternative would be. in many cases you qualify for subsidies for a better health care policy. it has been exacerbated by the fact that you can't find out what's going on because the website is a disaster. >> and you were there. how could the president say when you know that 5% of the people and 5% is obviously a small part of the story and overall the
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impact if you believe in this law is better than what happens here, but it's millions of people. you know what's going to happen in the press and they will be hardships for the people. why would you let your president say that? >> i don't recall significant discussions around some of the verbiage on this to be 100%. >> do you agree it was a wrong move? >> certainly. i don't think anybody dealing with this today finds what was said. i think some explanation in terms of the fact that policies in place at the point in which the president signed them were grandfathered in for this. insurance companies have changed the policies and they are not in the grandfathered set of insurance policies. there certainly is an insurance company discussion that has to be had here as to why so many of these policies on the individual
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market changed so quickly. again, i think you will have an understanding and this is why the website is so important. why it has to get fixed sooner rather than later. so many people in this individual market will find a better policy at a better price. they can't see that because the website is down. >> for every new story that tries and every new person who tries to spin and make this less than it really is, the 5% and millions and millions of people, there is a column this morning in the "wall street journal." i fought and survived states for gal bladder cancer with a 5-year survival rate of less than 2%. i am extremely lucky, but this luck may have run out. my affordable insurance policy has just been canceled effective
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december 31st. she can't keep her doctor. she can't keep her plan. she can't keep the team that kept her alive. >> joe, no matter which number you are going under whether it's 3.5 million people who are told they will have to find a new doctor, whatever the number is, this is an disaster for the administration and the people of this country. that's the larger issue. my question to you is off "the washington post," one thing stuck out to me. that's larry summers. he was an outsider in the inner circle of the administration. most of you had been together since 2007 and some of you earlier runs for the senate and the presidency. an outsider said hey, we have to take a look at this because it can get screwed up. the question is, how was that white house or is that white
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house now? who other than you and know you would go in when you give the president bad news, who in that white house would say mr. president, this is a mess. we have to put the brakes on and fix it. >> very good question. i think david axelrod could do that and rahm emmanuel could. mike asked me as to the question of who would have done it dead. i think larry understood because he's an enormously bright man. how complex the situation and the roll out was going to be and the procedure was to set it up. again, reading that story and finding out that -- i think you get into that story late last year and realize it wasn't where it needed to be. they were way behind and contractors were not doing what they needed to do. there was going to be little end to end testing on the website and that appears to be true. >> why not delay the launch?
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>> again, i don't think anybody -- it's a good question and i don't know the answer because again we are learning all of this stuff after the launch happened. i don't know the answer to that. >> just to underline one more time the piece that you read in the "wall street journal," yes, there 15% of americans who are uninsured and this law could be a good thing for them. 80% insurance and they will be okay. when i hear the dismissal of 5%, that is 14 million americans. if any percentage of that group is being canceled and having to find insurance, that's a terrible thing. a lot of people. let's not say it's 5% at the time. >> that contradicts what we are told. that's more important. >> a big misquote. >> some people admit that it was a contradiction or lie.
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that's a lot of americans. a lot of people. >> yes, it was a lie, but a small lie. not for the people who are going to die because of this. there unfortunately you read this heart breaking column of this woman who fought stage 4 cancer and is now going to be kicked off of her plan. >> who in communications doesn't know that won't explode as a story. i don't get that. >> we ought to look at the 15% that this will help, but 5% of americans could potentially be hurt. >> we were promised by the president 26 or 27 times they would be able to keep their insurance. >> go to new jersey. >> that's a lot of elections. >> election day tomorrow across the country and new jersey where voters head to the polls, it's likely chris christie will win reelection. he is up two to one over democrat barbara buono.
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a 33-point lead. the paper said christie and advisers hope it will show a divided republican party how to win an election on a national stage in states that are traditionally blue. they caught up with him over the weekend and asked him what likely will be his victory speech on tuesday. >> it sounds like you are planning for a message beyond new jersey. is that a fair assessment? >> i think it's inevitable. they try to discern things about what they mean at that moment and what they mean for the future. i think what people are going to see is so unusual for what our party has created. people are going to draw in and i hope they do. >> is the margin necessary to lay a future for your career. >> by 17 points a year ago, the
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fact that you are talking to a republican about the margin is a really good thing to have. >> at this stage, you look at chris christie and say that's a very impressive guy with a great track record and the demonstrated ability to work across the aisle with support of labor and blue collar to new jersey. it's a compelling story and there other compelling stories. paul ryan and jeb bush. marco rubio. there is a long list of capable people. he stands out as one of the best lights. >> does ted cruz stand out to you? >> i'm not going to disqualify be anybody. some of the names i think are most effective in becoming elected. we will see where it goes. >> chris christie on his way. it always happens with politics. the game change is coming out.
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they will be here talking about that. there is stuff about chris christie and that will be hanging over him. yesterday campaign ended with him. we also have a picture yelling at a teacher. >> careful. i have to be careful. >> keep your head down. >> interesting dynamic. governor christie and romney. >> i know that it's about pinpoints. i think it's going to be a lot closer. when they say it's over, it will be a lot closer. we could be dead wrong. >> president obama was on the campaign trail in the state of virginia for the democratic candidate, terry mcauliffe. the president didn't waste time trying to look ken cuccinelli to the national tea party. >> you have seen an ex-tram faction of the republican party that has shown again and again
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and again they are willing to hijack the party and the country and the economy and grind progress to an absolute halt if they don't get 100% of what you want. if you embrace the politics that led to the shut down, i guarantee it's not in the rear view mirror. they understand that that is not how you govern and that is now how you move america forward. >> cuccinelli's campaign predicted president obama's visit would energize the republican voters outrage. the latest poll shows mcauliffe leading cuccinelli by 12%. >> yea, terry. we will see. coming up on "morning joe," we will check in with politico's mike allen and charlie crist wants his old job back in
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florida. >> a fight between two republicans? >> a republican turned independent turned democrat and hopes to win another term in the govern nor's mansion. it could work in florida, don't you think. >> also now that toronto police say they have video of their mayor smoking crack, he is losing public support, right? >> it's toronto for god's sake? >> the people of toronto are very forgiving. we will show the new poll ahead. first -- >> if marion berry had only been the mayor. >> but first, bill, there is no forgiving you. >> i don't ask for it. i used up my three sorries. that's it. let's talk about the cold in the east. it is november and it's to be expected this time of year. the wind is blowing in areas like new york city and one of the coldest mornings we have seen yet. tomorrow will be ten degrees
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warmer. if you like the cold refreshing air it's not here to stay. we are going to see highs in the mid- to upper 40s and with full sunshine. it won't feel that bad. the big storm will be moving across and will have rain and snow and texas is getting wet this morning. good rain through central texas and winder stormwatches for minneapolis area and others are looking at a winter weather advisory. as far as the snowfall, not a blockbuster event, but we will see areas of nebraska up to minneapolis. a cold day and dry on the east coast until about thursday. for the west coast, we are looking okay after a big winter storm went through. you can see the flag blowing and the wind chill is low and chilly. bundle up yourself and the kids. you are watching "morning joe". bl
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>> time to look at the morning papers. the l.a. times and the third biggest airport is fully up and running again, but underlying safety concerns at lax after a man used an assault rifle to kill one tsa agent and injury
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three others. paul ciancia is in critical condition after officers shot him several times. he was carrying five high capacity magazines and ammo and a handwritten letter in what he called an effort to instill fear. >> the story of his father getting a text message that scared him and he called local police in new jersey who called the lapd who immediately scrambled and went to his house. everybody did what everybody could do and this was a random terrible act and talking about the new world order and a bunch of unfortunately bizarre experience theories. let's go to toronto. the toronto star said the embattled mayor rob ford and i have never seen a man smoke crack that is quite as fat. he said he will not step down despite a video alleged 3 showing him smoking crack cocaine. that's now in the police's
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hands. they admitted to being hammered at a street festival in august. he said he plans to ride out the storm and run again. he is also asking the chief of police to release a video so the city can judge for themselves. a receipt hole in toronto shows support for him improving and he is sitting at 44% approval and we thought we were forgiving when bill clinton's approval rating went over 60% after monica lewinsky. that ain't nothing. they get the mayor -- they always have to one up us. they miss me off all the time. you know what they are saying. you know what, we have our guy smoking crack in public. >> stop. tampa bay times. charlie crist filed paperwork to run for his old office again. this time as a democrat.
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>> that's not his name anymore. >> he was the republican governor of nord from 20007 to 2011 and he became a democrat last year. he selected as the democratic nominee and he will face current republican governor rick scott. how does that look? >> crazy, man. this is a guy who was mr. republican. he ran for every republican seat and they called him chain gang charlie because he was tough on crime. he was a right winger. then he hugged barack obama. it's crazy. >> interesting. >> i think against a candidate that can't sell fun the way rick scott can, it would be good. rick scott is going to open him up like a rusty can. he made bill mccull um look like a liberal. it made him look like this.
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it made him look like a communist. he runs so many ads. who are they supporting in the race? that's funny. anyway, he is going to get hammered and he already started it. you guys may have shown an ad where they show all the democrats coming out and saying what a two-faced weasel charlie crist is. >> there is a video you can bring out with him talking about the democrats. >> mike allen. he is the chief correspondent for politico. the first thing and keach nully fights off stench of doom. you have a piece of texas tea
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party members who try to recruit another ted cruz essentially. who are they looking 59 and why? >> ted cruz is driving a conversation in the republican party much to the dismay of republicans. in texas, they are talking about bringing another tea party guy, a ted cruz type to run against the man who is up next year. david barton who helped ted cruz win. the radio host down there, they call him an evangelical historian. >> come on. >> i have david barton's books actually. giving you background here. a little background here. he goes back and shows all of the quotes of the founding fathers. very, very explicitly makes the point that this country was founded by men of great faith. david barton, a lost evangeli l
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evangelica evangelicals, he has a national following. >> he is qualified to be in the senate. >> everybody else is. >> you can't ask that question. >> will he improve the quality of service and leadership and ability to get it done? >> we don't know. i don't know. i have not interviewed him. i say i know david barton and i like him. you know what, for 20 years, he is in his books. >> he could. >> you are right. he will have a big national fund-raiser and here it's late to be going up against a sitting senator. he has tons of money with million in the bank. david barton will have a lot of trouble attracting support from people who might otherwise step out for him. some of the things he said comparing homosexuality to a
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health disorder with too much transfats. >> it's probably one of the guys on your show. >> i didn't mean that. >> let's review the question. >> in the view of those recruiting, is john in the rhino category? does he not have enough some. >> he is voting with ted cruz. the only two senators with two bills each are rand paul and ted cruz because they have gotten john corn in so many times. >> ted cruz has not been helpful. he was asked by somebody if he was going to endorse john a couple months ago and he said no. >> he has religion. he said he was not going to endorse against his colleagues. >> he has moved a little bit. ted cruz has. >> mike allen, thanks. we have more details from the
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>> mark halpern and john heilman are back with more revelations from the new book game change 2012. you pig. look at this full page. come on. >> what do you think of that? >> this is the "new york times." >> what do you think of that ad? >> it's good. a lot of white space. you guys, president obama was telling his own staff that he didn't have justification for running of the second term. this was roger mud asking why he wanted the answer. >> that's right. that's not quite right. don't be so condescending. >> that's not right. they have not laid out the full agenda. the full body was running at a minimum. if the republicans to destroy
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the country. to preserve his achievements from the first term. he did have a fully flushed out second term agenda. >> let's get back to chris christie. have you gotten any push back from christie on the vetting story that could cause him a problem? >> nothing we heard directly. we played earlier what he said to kelly. one of the things that was interesting is governor christie didn't think he was likely to be picked. he wasn't very cooperative with the vet. >> it's remarkable and surprising. he does things his way. most people agree to be vetted and get everything in. the other four guys got their stuff in right away. he didn't want to be considered because it's chances with his
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son. when he decided and agreed to do better, he got his stuff in in four days. >> he had a concern with chris christ christie. meyers and the team had for christie was extensive and troubling. he reported back the response was in effect why do we need to give you that peace of information. he told the team we have to assume if they are not answering is it's because the answer to bad. what questions are we talking about and why are saying this could happen on his presidential run. >> it was more that there was an array of things and there were four things that they asked christie about. some of that was in a civil case. stuff about his household health and his health records and what am i now forgetting? >> about lobbying plans.
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four topics where they asked him for more information. >> were you exaggerating or did he work for bernie madoff some. >> he worked for america when he was a chairman when bernie was runing it and there was a consumer protection law that he was considered passing the state and through christie lobbied to exclude fraud and disdoings to get that out of the state. >> and it was from the romney standpoint, he looked at that and said this is a 60-second add. in the context of 2012, that is a 30-second ad that is death in 2012. bernie madoff's lobbyist would wrap that around him. >> maybe that's why chris christie could not have the background. >> there was suspicion of that. he didn't hand over nothing.
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governor romney got this report from the big energies. they were very careful. they didn't want to give him the impression that everything was fine. the day after romney got the report he pulled the plug even though his top adviser was saying we are losing the media wars every day in the news for barack obama. this guy could win them. we need a street fighter and despite that imperative he said there too many red flags. >> big mistake. we are sort of familiar with the work habits and the sources and the reportage. this is all terrific. that leads me to conjecture that the stuff that is not in the book may be more fascinating. let me ask you a question about the president of the united states and when he initially ran for president. it excited so many people and resulted in his reelection. there were moments of self doubt within the president himself and moments of that in the first to
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date. is the president of the united states a man who likes politics and likes the people in politics? >> that is a softball. >> he disdains and always hated the theatrics. we said he doesn't like to court people. whether that's his enemies and doesn't like to spent time with them. bill clinton is so good. he doesn't like that and even it's kind of amazing. the thing about this debate performance, he's a performer. that's what made him in 2008. the rousing speeches that were so inspirational. he distrusts that and finds that emotionally manipulative. when he gets to this point, it's that -- he is allergy to play acting. >> he is too smart for the job?
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>> i'm not saying that although i'm sure that's your gloss on it. >> he's kidding. the guy that goes around saying if you want your insurance you can keep your insurance. >> why did he want to get reelected? he doesn't like the job. does he? do we have evidence of that? >> he likes parts of the job a lot and learned because he is a talented person how to insulate himself from things he didn't want to do. even today there reports of saying to him you have to do things differently. the beginning of this term you remember he had dinner with a few senators a couple of times and his attitude is like in the book, he doesn't get together prior to mitch mcconnell. he does it and doesn't enjoy it. he doesn't start cooperating and his attitude is i tried it and it doesn't work. why should i do it again. >> he never had -- the
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interaction in business or in church. i'm serious. they met republicans once or twice. it didn't work. i'm sorry. how disconnected with you be from the realities of politics. >> republicans have been determined to stop him from the very first day. from the very first day he knew that was going to happen and the decision he made -- >> i want to hear about clint eastwood. >> throwing that up. >> the people ask how to be on stage with him. he got on stage because he was star struck. they met and had a dinner in california and he likes meeting famous people and it's clint eastwood, this guy is great. you can get him to come? they got east to come and he is not going to write a script. he doesn't know what he's going to say. they are trying to convince him
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that he gave a speech for romney and it was great. just say that. he won't commit. he's just saying i'm thinking about it. he goes back to the hotel room a couple hours before the speech and he turns on oldies radio and hears the neal diamond song, i am, i said. it planneds the bug in his head. >> dear god help us. >> here is watching the people saying how great mitt romney is. he said i don't want to give this supreme. everyone else is doing that. i want to do something different. that neal diamond song, why don't i get a chair out here and next thing you know the school is out there. by the time he is halfway through, the romney campaign is in melt down. throwing up back stage and the one running the convention is racing back stage to get him off stage and afterwards they said
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it's not a big deal. romney and all the romney kids are incredibly angry. this was totally overshadowed. >> the morning after. all the talk radio people who were calling this ripos, you can tell you are not a real republican and conservative. i said we sucked at the republican convention. democrats blew us away and all of these people in talk radio that said i was not loyal to my party. this happened time and time and time again. at the same time i was saying it. the romney people were not only saying it. they were vomiting back stage. >> after the talk radio hosts, they got the letters of apology. >> just the difference between a man super excited to meet a famous person and has deep six convention and a man who is above it all and doesn't care. what are you going to take? what are you going to take?
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i'm just saying. seriously. that's scary. >> he did win that second debate, but he pulled it together. >> all right, man. you guys. this is good stuff. i think you made up most of it, but that's okay. >> double down. mark and john. thanks. business before the bell is next.
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>> time for a few business before the bell stories. >> mika? >> thank you very much. they are so good. is she going to take my job? >> are you union? >> what? >> here's business before the bell. eric schmitt is lashing over the nsa spying on the datacenters. we called it possibly illegal if are proven and said google complained to the president, vice president and congress. schmitt said the bulk data collection if true doesn't pass the smell test and is bad public policy. >> it's outrageous that the nasa security agency was looking between the centers if that's true. the steps that the organization was willing to do without good judgment went to pursue the mission and went to violate the policies. it's not okay.
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in that case they assisted us in understanding that. >> now a story on blackberry. >> wow. she's good. >> last minute deals and bids. blackberry now says they will abandon trying to sell itself. the toronto globe and mail reports the company will raise $1 billion and clean house of upper management including ceo thorston hinds. >> the best of the late night. keep had here on "morning joe." you're giving away pie?
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>> oprah winfrey said that's wonderful. >> what a nice surprise. >> isn't it? so don't you think you should get changed? >> why? >> so that oprah can come in? >> oh, because of the whole -- >> exactly. >> and keenan won't? >> nope. >> well, in that case i believe in a few minutes oprah will be here. >> thank you, mrs. obama.
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>> the producers at "saturday night live" would like to apologize to kerry washington for the number of black women. we may be depressed because there is considerable rage and also because snl does not have a black woman. we agree this is not an ideal situation and look forward to rectifying it in the near future unless of course we fall in love with another white guy first. >> that's going there. next monday, november 11th, a big day. opening day of your book. the right path. joe will be at miller theater. we will both be there to talk about his new book, the right path. you can get free admission by sending your name to see joe at nbc muni.com. he will be at the barnes and noble at union square. we will have fun there. >> always fun.
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picture in american politics than in the green room. >> stick with the kids. >> stick with the kids. >> i learned that someone might take my job, but i think she is going to broadway. >> thank you. >> mine doesn't. >> great to see you again. >> nice to see you too, joe. >> nice to meet you. >> you have to come up to see this show. >> you have never seen it. that's fine. we get it. >> i have seen bits of it. >> mark halpern. >> kids say the darnedest things. >> thank you very much. it's way too early, it's "morning joe." here's "the daily rundown." >> queue the remote. 24 hours to go until the 2014 vote. looking like terry mcauliffe might break a